i'm on my second reading of thud - the first went by too quickly for me to get a good hold on all of the details of the case. i like it even better now for knowing what i now know - it was very myffic. by which i mean vimes is almost granny weatherwax like. in answer to "who watches the watchman?" vimes always answers "i watch myself!" well in this one that old chestnut is going to be raised to myffic status. oy can you guys at home please hurry up so that we can talk about it?